The Indo-Pacific Push

>>Good morning as we
commence with this morning’s conversation on
the Indo-Pacific. We have a very
imminent panel. John Wood from the
Indo-Pacific Command, who has brought
the might of the US military to this
conversation. Indrani Bagchi a commentator and
eco-student of foreign policy has been writing
on this subject and will bring her perspective. President Mohamed
Nasheed from the Indo-Pacific, and Ram Madhav Varanasi one of the most impactful thinkers
on foreign policy . The Indo-Pacific . I told a friend of
mine that I lost my ocean, I was born
in the country that had a nation
named after me and now it is called
the Indo-Pacific. But you are the true native of
this water body. How has the world
changed for you since the world
has started re-describing it as the Indo-Pacific . the new economic
dynamics?>>When Vasco Magana routed the Cape of good Hope , there were troops in Mali but he was asked
to go back home , and then Vasco did around the Cape
Of Good Hope, and then in his second trip , every single moment
in history, every time we have seen powers rising, the impact it has had on the Indian Ocean and
therefore the Maldives We would not want to be
sandwiched in problems. We would rather, if we are able to
run our own affairs And of course
in the process we would want to be
able to plug into the rapid Indian
development . Our issues with China is that there is a tendency, there is a tendency
on their part to trap us in debt>>It is a reality, not a tendency anymore?>>Without firing
a single shot, China has grabbed more
land than the East India company had done at the
height of the colonial era. The Maldives is so
much money to them and come 2023, it will be very
difficult for us to pay that. The issue is, we
have not received the same amount of assets to map the debt . They have intentionally raised the price, inflated the price
of the projects , to the extent that the
business plan fails. And when a business
plan fails , of course they would then want
to have equity from the projects. And with equity, you’re
a link with land and sovereignty — relinquish land
and sovereignty. We have a number of projects with the
business plan will never survive and it
was very obvious even when they started that these business
plans will not survive . And therefore, you know, you have seen this in Mac rank , — Sri Lanka, we have seen it
in many places, where large amounts of
funds aren’t averted to project oppression are diverted
to projects, but the billing price does not match the
assets created . So therefore it will be
very difficult for us to pay.>>So that economics is being backed by the
Chinese, I have got your question. Let me ask you a
second question. What are others
doing about it? Suppose we see our friend
the Maldives in this situation. Is the US stepping up,
are the Indian stepping up? Are we helping you in
your current situation?>>The United States
intervention comes via bilateral means
through the World Bank. And getting it when I’m
F program is another disaster. — And IMF program. You are bound to lose
government if you go into and IMF program.>>You will lose your
territory to the Chinese and your
government to the IMF!>>Yes, I have gone into that and it was partly because
of the methods the IMF have subscribed us to do. And of course India
is far more rapid in offering their money and we are very grateful India has offered us $1.4 billion as development
assistance through grants, through bilateral loans, through investment
loans and so on. But to answer your
question, is India able to project the new found wealth and
the power that they have, it is difficult. I think it is very pertinent
that India is unable to disentangle itself from a very Hindu
lotus position (Laughs) I think India is finding
it, in a sense, difficult to poise its power.>>You have given me two keywords, Hindu
and lotus. And I will move to Ram Madhav Varanasi for responding to that.>>My Hindu point was in a loving manner!>>Mine is too, a
very loving manner ! So, have we got an Indo-Pacific strategy
in place and we also have a definition of it?>>Strategy S, it is never discussed in forums. Definition, I would say , we should not be in
so much of us are — of a hurry to define
it for the important reason as how do we
define the Atlantic region when it was having its
heyday in the last century? It is there, do we
want to define it? India’s position is clear. We’re not creating
any special Indo-Pacific club here, we’re not creating
any new Association . It is here that the trade happens, it is here that
the economy starts, it is clear — here that the markets
are there. The global economy is shifting to
the Indo Pacific region. It is important that
it remains peaceful, that freedom
of navigation is ensured. More importantly , it includes the third
most important aspect of inclusiveness. It is not about
geography, remember, it is about stakeholder
ship . If the US has stakeholder
ship, they are welcome, if the Chinese have
stakeholder-ship , they are welcome. So if we’re making a club, the whole question is
what will happen to the ASEAN countries. It is a reality here. In the Indo-Pacific, it will remain part
of the ASEAN group of nations will stop we are
not in any great hurry to define it because we
are not in a hurry to create a club here. We only want that in this
region, the happening region, India is one
of the most powerful countries, it has a role
to play, about which we have certain clarity
and certain strategy, obviously some elements
are not, but I don’t want to every deep into
the strategy aspect.>>I will come to you
later on the two or three defining elements
of the Indo-Pacific engagement of India,
but before that, let me ask you on this
club question again. The fact is, even if it
is not a club, it is certainly, like you said, an inclusive
arrangement, where India is bringing in
new partners . Would you prefer to bring the Russians
into this arrangement, and how do you
sense this?>>Things — since you talked
about the strategy, let me add a
few points. When we said
inclusive… The Indian Ocean region cannot be interpreted from the prisms
of only a few big countries here. For example, one big country which has so far steadfastly
refused to get into it is Russia. Despite best efforts
by many, Russia has refused to
get into the debate on the Indo-Pacific
at all because I think there is a clash
between this country and that country. We want the Russians
also to come because that is important, it
is part of the Indo Pacific region. I was talking to the
Prime Minister of the country yesterday,
Bangladesh. A population
of 170 million, no role in the
Indian Ocean , but — and equally Indonesia is an
important player . So there are countries which need to be nudged to come and play an active role, the countries and the markets. Bangladesh, a
middle-class market so big and so successful in terms of its economy, but not playing
any role. We need to keep it open and allow countries
to come in . That will be India’s
position and strategy.>>What about China? Let’s be honest here. Recently having
this conversation is because there is
a certain expansion that is taking place under a certain regime which Xi Jinping
has devised. I’m not going into the
merits and demerits. You have to work
with the Chinese. When we have these
conversations with independent
groups of actors that does not
include China, it is the anybody but China club, ABC. When you have these
conversations, you are in a sense creating a differential
in the system. What is the Indian
position on this?>>Very clear. And I said inclusive,
it includes all the stakeholders. Australia is on the periphery
of the Indian Ocean. With one port, it can claim to be an
Indian Ocean power. China is not an
Indian Ocean power but when you talk about
the Indo-Pacific, even these countries have stakes. So you have to deal with
China but China has to deal with all these
countries. It has to be
a global thing. It cannot be that we only have to
be concerned about how China will play with us. What are the rules
to be followed up so that all the
countries will be comfortable? It has to be a win-win
game for everybody.>>What is your
take on China?>>Well, certainly the Indo-Pacific didn’t
just come out of nowhere. The idea of the
Indo-Pacific also, because that China’s rise, the way it was
not contested, you had to contest it in geopolitical terms. The centre, as
it is called. The Indo-Pacific does not have China
as its core. So in a sense, it is a story of the
rise of India, it is a story of countering or
balancing China, and I don’t think there is, there is no question of
confronting, but you would welcome China into this organisation, or this organisational
principle , if you will. But the fact does remain that in the aim of
balance of power . and we are playing a balance
of power game . this is a game to counter China’s , balance China’s.>>Has there been a
change in the Indian approach more recently? You have seen the ever — elevation of
dialogue, and the Prime Minister of Australia
is coming to India soon .>>Two things. One, I would say that the elevation of the ministers is a sign of the growing confidence between India
and Australia. That is a very
bilateral point.>>That is keeping
the court down?>>Yes and no. The core grouping
at the heart of the Indo-Pacific is
India/Japan/US trilateral. That trilateral grouping frankly does more into the whole
Indo-Pacific story than the quad. The quad comes in as an adjunct. So I think the trouble that
we all have is to not conflate the quad with the Indo-Pacific.>>And what about
the Russia factor, outreach to Russia,
trying to bring them in, let him stop pressure on Vladivostok
and so on?>>This is not an Indo-Pacific power. They have a relationship
with us, a relationship with Vietnam and
with China. The quality and intensity
of all three relationships are
very different. Russia really doesn’t
have, and that is a very good reason why Russia has been so
opposed to the whole concept of Indo-Pacific. We want to bring Russia
into a lot of things because we believe
that Russia is not a natural second
fiddle to China. We would like
to give them any kind of option
to be able to give them some kind
of manoeuvring space because the West has
denied them that space. So we want to
bring them in. But I don’t think those
ideas, either by the Prime Minister or when he spoke at the (Inaudible) club, they
haven’t found ground yet. Maybe they will get
there at some point. It looks lovely .>>I will come back to
do a bit of predictions for you on the three or
four things India can be doing soon to contribute
to the evolving debate on the Indo-Pacific. Let me come to John. John, the Indo-Pacific
and in many ways, although it is
100-year-old term, the Americans made it popular recently,
some would say there are two things in a great of
the new narrative. The first was they moved
the boats around. They moved a large
part of their fleet into the Indo-Pacific. And the second thing
was they gave us jobs and were able to put
lots of people in a new territory defined
in a new way. But that put lots of
money on the table. They say America is all
chatter, no substance. Development and growth
aspirations, etc, still underserved by the
American consensus and basically served by the
Beijing consensus.>>First of all, Aloha
from Hawaii which is in the Pacific and the
Indian Pacific command. We just changed our
wording to underscore the Indo-Pacific
states that the US represents, it is
not to sing a late or emasculate one ocean or another. The US is moving more
into the Indo-Pacific, that is true. We have underpinned and
ridden the security in this region since World
War II and together with national economic
structures, have enabled relative praise and
unprecedented prosperity in this region
for 70 years. So the Department of
defence is maintaining a good role in the
security sphere. In two years we stood up
and changed its name but the international
development Finance Corporation, which
has $60 billion to underwrite the
private sector in the region, unprecedented from public support
standpoint. And we do funnel money
into the Indo-Pacific through these
international structures, through the
Department of defence and security corporation,
humanitarian assistance operations, development
projects, so we are and always have been, both in
the private sector and public, very active. Underwriting the security
and driving the economics of the area. I think we’re in
a good position. We have a new
Indo-Pacific three and strategy which is a
values-based strategy for the US military,
which we are driving that respect for
sovereignty, the open nature access to the
global commons by all states. An incumbent trade. Investment opportunities. I think it is a terrific
strategy for all of us in the Indo-Pacific,
everyone, including the People’s Republic of
China, to get around. If you subscribe to a
free and open Indo-Pacific it will
drive economic growth and the Department of
defence is here to maintain security.>>Let me post
to questions. The first is on the
discussion we already had, and inclusive
Indo-Pacific arrangement that includes Russia. You see the invitation
extended to the Russians to participate
in this region. You have your own
dynamic and I am not looking at the last two
or three years, I am looking at the longer
relationship. How do you feel about
the robust Russian participation if
it was to happen? If missed a Putin decided
this was what he wanted to focus on. How would the American
response , what would it be?>>As articulated,
Russia has its own relationships out here. It is a Pacific power. It forces it in the
Western Pacific right of the US, Alaska, and it
is involved in the Pacific. We welcome all countries
as long as they subscribe to the existing
international order and are not spoilers and
anything we are trying to do with the economies
and maintaining peace and security.>>The second question
would be on China. The Indo-Pacific is
a China proposition. It is to cater to their
proposition around economics, etc, some would argue that
Americans and their allies have founded
the track fails. The South China Sea is
the living proof of the inability of the American
alliance to have its way.>>Let’s be clear, this
is not a cold war and the US is not abdicating
a containment of China. What we really want is a
franchise and partners to choose what state they
want to be, one that abides by international
rules and laws or one it doesn’t. One that makes up its
own rules and laws. That is the basis of the
Indo-Pacific trust strategy we are
talking about.>>So China have said
they don’t want to abide by the rules. They have different also
want to be and they mean to enforce it. So the court of the
American framework , how are you consistent
in your belief?>>I think we are. We are coordinating in
the Pacific, Japan, Australia, United
States. We have robust
architecture that has been deployed and we
still have robust architecture in all the
economies in this region so I don’t see where
there is going to be an issue here. The United States is an
Indo-Pacific power.>>But become back
to you on this.>>Before you come back, we sit in the middle
of the Indian Ocean. We are 1000 km from
north to south. And 600 km from
east to west. We occupy the navigable
parts of the Indian Ocean. So there is actually no
one other than us in the Indian Ocean. Seychelles, and the
more the violence — and the Maldives
islands , but we can live without any of
these big money coming from anyone. I am sitting here
listening on a definition , there is nothing
common, nothing specific about the
Indian Ocean. So what we’re trying
to do is has the raw materials and who
has the markets? I want your raw
materials and I want to process it and sell
it back to you. This is a very
old model. It has been going
on for ages. When the Empire
exhibition happened in the 1900s, my
great-grandfather went there and then when the
next was coming up, China had their expo . Fortunately, I was asked
to go there with our exhibits. So it is basically
the same thing. Who has the
raw materials and where the markets. Who is trying
to shift it? If it is not trying to
contain China, what is it all about? Let’s be honest about
it and not hide behind fancy words. What are you
trying to do? We are trying to
live a peaceful life. We do not want to be
sandwiched in a cool dwarf rising
superpowers. So are we trying
to contain China? Our issue with any of
the countries is human rights. I have spent half of
my life in prison. And we do not like this
state type of comment is. And if that is going
to be exported to the Maldives or anywhere
else, we do not like that and that is what we
are trying to contain. Not the fact that they
want our war materials. Not that they want to
push a good son’s sold their products to us. So your ideology to us. in my view, my good
friend, the Chinese Ambassador will not
like this at all. In my view, my good
friend the Chinese buzzard not like
this at all. But there is no
confrontation in the Indian Ocean. When our chief justice
was arrested, 18th February, when the
president shut down the parliament, we asked
India for assistance. We did not like what
was happening in our country. We wanted our democracy back. We wanted to have
fair elections. And was the
confrontation? I told that those in the know
that there was a face-off. So will this
happen again? Is it happening? How far are people
willing to push that? Come next election
in Sri Lanka, another election in the
Maldives, or both sides back both parties? For us, for the
Maldives, for the people of the Indian Ocean,
these are cities. So there is ecological
dimension, ideological and economic. And I asked earlier what
were the elements of the Indian proposition to
indicate in this particular region?>>Firstly, we’re
talking in terms of the old discourse , as there there are only
two or three major powers in the world,
USA and China. So you have to contain China so other countries
have to come together. Containment cannot
be the sole basis for any 21st-century
relationship. You don’t like common is
on but you still like the products? It is the trade that
brings the ideology. So containment alone
cannot be any deep principle for defending
what your strategy will be. What I am trying
to stress he is , of course it is not
the cold war era. It is not bipolar
anymore. It is multipolar. There are a number of
different poles trying to emerge. That is playing out in
the Indo-Pacific region today. Today, if a minority is
standing up and saying I’m forced — I ready
to resist the force of China, they have somebody
to stand with them. There is some other
force emerging which is giving them
confidence from other countries. That is the kind of new
multi-polarity that is emerging in the world. Incidentally, it is
happening around the same time. In that you arrangement
of things, India is an important power. When you take the Indian
Ocean as a one geographical unit, is
central to the Indian Ocean. I’m not talking in terms
of its politics . So a new type
of arrangement in which several
important countries arising , they are now creating
their own groupings. That is the kind of
future we will see in this region. India has to not realise
it has a role to play. It cannot so what is
happening in the Maldives or striker
is not my problem. It has to think. Do you have institutions
which are 21st-century today? These are 21st century
institutions. We raise a very
important point. If you don’t have the
rules, what do you do? You have to build
21st-century institutions that suit
the situation. 21st-century institutions
that were designed to cater to Europe and
America mostly. What where the ones that
cater to Asia and Indo-Pacific? So we are also trying. As an idea I am saying,
if there can be a European Union, what difference is that to
us having Indian Ocean parliament? Then talk to China.>>Have a speaker. You raise a very
important point. We cannot compete with
geographical areas but we play an important
role in devising>>Indrani, I am coming
back to you, institutions for
the 21st century. let the ask you…>>It needs to be the
driving force, in the sense of… No idea functions in ether . You really need
hard power to put meat onto those ideas. You don’t need to fight, but you need…>>We don’t need
to fight.>>Know, we don’t need
to fight I don’t agree with that because>>So is conflict
inevitable, I think is the point.>>I don’t agree
with that either. But I think the reason why, America post-Second World War function, their ideas travelled
the world, it is because
it was backed up by hard power. Your ideas have to be
backed up by hard power . I want to create
a parliament of the Indian Ocean, in
the Indo Pacific region, which is a fantastic
idea…>>Prime Minister
Netanyahu mentioned I like soft power but I like
hard power more.>>Correct. If it does not have hard
power at the bottom of it, which is like
economics or security, I am a security
provider and …>>India has to build
that capability.>>Your stories, your
culture and your food Is also a provider. Why am I happy
sitting here? It’s probably because I like
your books, your films and
your feet.>>And that’s
patently fine.>>And why have I not
travelled, the instance, to China.>>But let me tell you,
when you actually sit through a parliament
of this region, because you
like my food? Probably not.>>I would sit there
because just the other day I saw some gentlemen
smashing another one with his own shoes but fortunately the
issue was in his hand… (Laughter)>>The dynamic nature of your culture
and your democracy …>>You put that as a
virtue, thank you very much!>>That brings us to this
culture, to India. So it is not…>>I’m going to open
this up to all of you This panel has
been curtailed because of some security
requirements for this venue for later on, so
we will be landing at 11:45. We have approximately
11 minutes. I want to bring a few
of you into this conversation. There are pads next
to the speakers and we will take a bunch
of them together so that all if you have a
chance for responding to them. I have — can see a
gentleman there will stop let’s bring him in. Introduce yourself
quickly, and>>I’m just kind
of curious with the point around
Chinese ideology. I’m curious, when the Chinese are involved
in this region how did they push the ideology ?>>Can we take
a bunch of them? And I will make sure we
respond to all of them.>>My name is Spencer
and I work on AI and robotics. I am Chinese but I also
like Indian food, so it’s fine. (Laughter)>>Just one question .
what did the Chinese do in this Indo-Pacific
region? Did they do something
really big because I was involved
in several projects actually helping the
countries in this region.>>I think it is a very
similar question and let’s take
another question. Any other hands? I want to bring in as
many of you as possible.>>I am also from that country. Every country is
different, but if we look at history,
when the US and China developed, they took a more passive approach in terms
of foreign policies because the US was
not directly involved in the water mystically — in the war domestically when they were
developing. In China at least a mystically
we also think. Minding your own business
and trying to develop the domestic market first
and then you go out and make some influence
on the outside world. Do you think India would
like to take a different approach from what the
US and China have done? If so, what is the
rationale behind that?>>That is an interesting
— excellent question, will India be different
or will it follow the route of exporting ideology
and feed?>>The question wasn’t how is China trying to
export their ideology? A, by a parliament. Then, change the laws. Make sure you menace the opposition. Make sure you dissolve
the constitution, shut down the parliament,
arrest the judges and go for single
party rule. It has been
so successful in doing this that actually the
Chinese government told them to
slow it down … And my previous
president, my previous president
was so successful in that, he arrested every single
opposition leader, including his
own brother . He prorogued Parliament,
he declared emergency rule, and he has done
all this, all through Chinese
backing. It is very clear. It is all through
Chinese backing. We don’t like
confrontation, but we like
our freedoms. And we like our country, we like to have
a peaceful life, we want to have
a family life . To do that, you do need certain
norms in society. So I have no issue
whatsoever with Chinese money or … Unless it impinges on our society,
and when impinges on our society to the extent
that my freedom is architectural, that is
where I am worried.>>That you will be
a different power.>>I think India will be
a very different kind of big power. What India is able to do,
they will only be able to do it because the
people of India won’t sit down, not
for any other reason. When you have
a whole people behind an idea, you
can’t stop that. It is not very clear if China would
actually survive in the manner that
it is going. It is very difficult
for me to believe , with all those internal
contradictions, when you have all your lawyers
in jail, when you have everyone
in jail, you can’t run a society. It is very difficult
for me to believe that you will be
able to produce these beautiful products with everyone in jail. I really find it
very difficult. So when India rises,
and it is rising, you can’t stop it. Because they would have debated
about it enough .>>Indrani?>>On both questions,
China and then India? And this is the
final round.>>The thing is, I’m less concerned about
Chinese ideology than the fact that China is
a growing power is not satisfied with just growing. China wants to expand and China is taking
over territory from other countries . that makes
it a problem. It is building
artificial islands in the South China Sea and Spratlys, that gives them
the ability to do what they
are doing in Vanguard Reef outside of Viet Nam. It is their decision
to walk out into the plateau that dips them … It is not anything else. It is that they want more place, they want
more territory. That will inevitably unless China
walks back from that particular core
portion of its ideology. I don’t think we have
any problems with a communist country. We have lived with one
Communist Party for 50 years. — Communist partner.>>It is the expansive
nature of the Chinese growth?>>And also the
aggression the latent aggression that
accompanies that, to lead to the next
question of what sort of a power would India be, as chaotic as
we are today , please, we
will never be an orderly power. For a very simple
reason.>>We are not orderly
people, right?>>The reason why we
are democracy, please remember, we have
3000 gods. Democracy and
religion…>>A little more
than that, but I think you
undercut…>>I just am very
interested in the next decade, to watch the
growing relationship with India between
the United States in terms of compatibility and
security, which will enable tremendous growth, the exercise program
we have. Department of Defence
has any size program with almost every
single state in the Indo-Pacific , and it is a terrific
way to bind and — into the security
architecture and unable that growth. I am very much looking
forward to watching the growth of the trail at fiction trilateral and the quad and the democracies
getting together, and the economics, and respect the
sovereignty of all nations.>>John, I know this is
meant to be the final word, but let me ask
you one more question I really wanted
to ask you about. Has the Indo-Pacific
command now also begun to explore the
possibility of extending their remit beyond … The Indo-Pacific is described as everything
between Hollywood and Bollywood .>>It just casts
of the world and how we look at it, it means nothing
more less. And the State
Department, ironically, calves
at the world action cars up the world differently, though figure. We do not always agree
on how to look at everything. Speaks of>>We also have a
Ministry of defence…>>You have the same. I think it is an
amazing activity and the amazing power
and growth of the Indo Pacific in this century, it really is going to be
an economic driver of this century,
and how we can construct our rules and norms to allow everyone to enjoy …>>I would put it this
way . India and China are both the major powers
in this region , the same region. We have both
similar needs, so there is bound to be competition between
our countries. This is going to be the
reality of this century. The difference is, the Chinese engage in their development in a different way
than we do it. I can only say that when
the Chinese money comes, it comes together
with CPC. When Indian monthly — money comes, it comes with the CCP. Put it this way, there is a hard power icon, you can amass any man of hard power
and it is not going to run. The soft power has
also not come. What is emerging is the days of
smart power. This is a new phrase
that everybody is coining. India will help to play that
role as a smart power. You obviously cannot
compete with somewhere like Chennai in terms of hard power — with China in terms
of hard power. This is why you ask, why should the
US come close — why should Russia come? We have to bring them. Smart politics is the road for India.>>This has been a
fascinating conversation and
I take away two important points made by the panellists
today. The first of course is, even as we obsessed with the
Americans and the Chinese and perhaps a
little bit with the Indians as well, the
Indo-Pacific story is the story of
many more actors, and I think that
is the point you have made. You are the true Indian
Ocean native and you mentioned the point
question importance of Indonesia as well. It is a story of more
than just three countries. Perhaps the precise
nature of the geography between dark and Jakarta and
Kuala Lumpur or, perhaps it is time to move those conversations
to those capitals . And blessed me question let me
applaud Mr Ram , because he has been
able to do that. Secondly, the money
is not the problem and I think we get
confused with that problem question fact. It is what accompanies
this movement which is sometimes
problematic. PGP or CPC or anybody must not be moved along
with the money. The money should move
in a way which creates no hindrances and
encumbrances, and the Indo-Pacific may well become
the story of this movement
of money , people, communities and ideas that will become the most
important geography in the world. Please join me in
applauding the panellists for their
fantastic contributions. We are closing on time .

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  1. Indo Pacific is started old , started in 2004 with Manmohan Singh . Times of India useless editors ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜….

  2. 3000+ gods and democracy ๐Ÿ˜‚
    China is not liked only because of its aggressiveness. It has to become little accomodative just the way Gujaral's doctrine was.

  3. I don't know what this facilitator was smoking, but Indo Pacific is not replacing Indian Ocean. IndoPacific is a region surrounded by Indian and Pacific oceans.

  4. Deny it 100n times but there is a faceoff the rise of new super powers one doesn't recognize other but do knowledge the stature

    as it NATURE of law of being it that way and it will be there

  5. I was blown away by the argument made by Maldives speaker..Wow this man was so brave and frank saying he's trying to contain Chinese ideology. Respect Mohammed nasheed.

  6. How could ram madhav be called an expert on anything except the hindu extremists outfits rss and snatan Sanstha? Ram spent his entire life at hindu fundamentalist ngo rss which isn't a university nor a think tank?

  7. I can understand the Western democracies having concerns about purported saffronization of India. But folks from Islamic republics voicing the same concerns is simply ludicrous!

  8. INDIAN OCEAN was, is & will be there Always, it's the whole Pacific & INDIAN Ocean area which is termed as Indo-Pacific.
    INDIA INDO ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ is Immortal

  9. The Chinese behind Maldives President is upset about the comments against China …. And smile only when it is against Americans …..

  10. If the plague of the world called pakistan didn't exist, the world would have been soooooooooo much better. They are the Chinese stooges for giving them access to Indo-Pacific region…. driven by their religious hatred towards India.

  11. first time in my life i saw an american looking nervous with so no. of junkies who talking very aggressively. In no manner they look like a diplomat. Diplomacy is an art and most of them are lacking. Especially the moderator. was questioning like tv debate show just throw straight forward question.

  12. Indrani baghchi is truely right as a indian. Ram madhab is useless, i tottally disagree with him. ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž

  13. China should take note and do not lend to these Indian related countries. Like most poor borrowers once they get the money they will use excuses not to pay back.
    That is why all Indian banks have failed because nobody pays back their loans.

  14. Where the need for remaining an Anglo Saxon stooge ? This is all we have learnt of sovereignity ? Indk Pacific is nothing but a pseudonym for Indo US axis to prosecute US policy Pacific against China towing along India to do all the dirty jobs for Americans in Indian Ocean .

  15. Maldivian leader NASHEED is hero rocked the speech some must have guts to say truth against Chinese even Americans can't say it directly

  16. Best talk ever watched on YT but that anchor has taken weed a bit(Indian Ocean into Indo- Pacific?๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿค”

  17. If Containment of China cannot be the objective of Indo Pacific Treaty as Ram Madhav cluelessly keeps repeating then he has no idea why this Indo Pacific grouping is of any importance. he talks of Trade when he must be addressing Strategy! If China containment is such a trifle for India then Ram Madhav must wait till China steps on India's shows and gobbles up Nepal next. Then he will run to the UN? This Indo Pacific Treaty is relevant only in its containment of the New Cold War foe of all threatened countries in Asia Pacific and that includes India besides the Asean. Russia is in China Pakistan Axis.Ram Madhav must understand that India needs the Indo Pacific Hedge against China hegemony and Asean countries, as much as Taiwan, S Korea and Japan Australia need survive the Rising Power. Ram Madhav must look around to see of there are other powers as he keeps rep[eating after Media Myths of Multipolarity. If he did then he will see none there to help if China should tomorrow send in the PLA into Arunachal Pradesh and Pakistan push from west.It is better India starts to make that clear at outset and stops this pussy footing around China. .

  18. What rendering of Indian Ocean to Indo-Pacific!! The two are different names, one being Ocean the other used to refer to the region. He should have been corrected right there. You lost the ocean in your absurdity, we still have it, as other oceans.

  19. Its true mostly Chinese are totally unaware of neighborhood they only know they are beyond and rich nation but on doklam issue Chinese people realise the power of India and its influence….
    Mostly Chinese don't know English they are only watch cinese communist party run news which fascinating chinese even fear to talk they brutality tianmen squire…
    I believe china can't be put long time to their people in communist mind-set…

  20. Maldives ex leader clearly speak because they faces chinese communist agenda to their country and their basic life…

  21. It appears Maldivian speaker sees global dynamics in too much black and white whereas global dynamics always work in shades of grey.

  22. MD Nasheed is now my number one premier of the world, right above Modi Trump and Putin . No leader has spoken so openly abt China…

  23. The bowline they still canโ€™t figure out what to make of the concept Indo-Pacific. And China is the elephant in the room.

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